jimbo2.
4:35 Tue Jul 14
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So judging by this thread, is Mattia Destro an Italian dish, or a footballer? Are we trying to sign a new healthy type of food?
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peroni
4:35 Tue Jul 14
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Italian Hammer
We're an English family of 5 in an Italian village and are by far the slimmest.
Italian kids are spoilt rotten and rewarded with sugary treats. Italian breakfasts are often cakes or even just milk and sugar. They do seem to lose the weight when they get a bit older, but it soon piles on again when they reach middle age.
There is definitely less processed foods though, and absolutely no "ready meals". A hell of a lot of cured meat though.
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Grumpster
4:33 Tue Jul 14
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Times have changed massively Fivetide and I guess as I'm 40, I was bought up in an era before all of the health scare tactics etc came about, so after eating shit food for 20 years, I just wasn't going to stop I suppose, as I had then also found lager which went down a treat with a Wimpy or curry.
I find the fitness freaks out there nowadays pretty mental, though even that's probably hypocritical, as I didn't have an ounce of fat on me until 10 years ago when I retired from playing football, as up until then I had been a sports freak with swimming and running for Essex, footie and generally never not being outside doing something.
I probably purely look at the fanatics now as odd, as for me competition was everything where as they all just seem to be robots in their eating habits and regimes. Some of the people I work with are proper nutters with their food.
Fair play, it's why they will live 30 years longer than me and aren't walking round with a small beer belly. The heart attack taught me one thing and that was that I will soon be having more of them as I can't change my diet.
Footballers have no excuse though considering what they earn.
And I have no idea if we've even bid for this bloke!!!
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BRANDED
4:32 Tue Jul 14
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For every example you give there will always be an opposite to contradict you. For example cured Italian sausages, Fritto misto, Tiramasiu. There is absolutely nothing wrong with meat and potatoes. Putting a load of ingredients in a pot and cooking them will not lose the majority of what's good about them. Boiling veg and throwing away the water with all the minerals could be considered not great admittedly but at least you got rid of the nasties that would otherwise kill you.
As I said the issues are more around tradition, avoiding disease, taste, cultural pressures, desirability of sex , wealth and exercise.
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Coffee
4:31 Tue Jul 14
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Italian Hammer
With respect, Nigella has other assets that have earned her money and celebrity status.
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goose
4:31 Tue Jul 14
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well this thread has taken an odd turn.
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Italian hammer
4:28 Tue Jul 14
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Russ the proof is that Nigella Lawson has earned money and celebrity status in UK teaching ti a nation what any average italian boy has experienced during his boyhood just watching his mum or grand mum doing everyday.
Obvoiusly apart from the great english contribution to finest cooking : fish and chips.
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Coffee
4:28 Tue Jul 14
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Ssh, he hasn't finished lunch yet.
At Ken's Cafe.
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Mr. Burns
4:27 Tue Jul 14
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I haven't heard a BEAN Willtell
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Willtell
4:24 Tue Jul 14
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I wonder if our offer for Destro has been accepted? Anyone hear anything above the sound of spaghetti talk?
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ironsofcanada
4:21 Tue Jul 14
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BRANDED 3:56 Tue Jul 14
I guess historically speaking, unless you go back to Rome or the Medicis, I guess, Italian food has been less processed than English food.
By processed, I don't mean American processed, I mean cooked longer, more ingredients in one dish and combined, spices from the colonies used etc. In the 18th century England embraced a lot of the saucing from France (mayonaise for one) and well before that putting things in pastry was established.
That can be unhealthy, especially the when you combine a lot of starch with a huge slab of meat, like an old pie or a roast dinner with potatoes. A Bolgonese type sauce is actually quite a rare thing in Mediterranean cuisines. Meat is an accent to pasta if it is there at all, for instance.
Britain did also have easy (therefore cheap and available to lower classes) access to sugar that many nations did not have beginning in the late 17th century.
But I think you can get away with a such a diet when many people are doing manual labour in a colder climate. That just is not the case any more.
I think America's love of the car, precipitated, to be fair, by the distances they have to cover but also the space which they have come to expect, is a big reason for their weight problems.
Processed sugar is of course another for all Western nations as you alluded to.
No in any way a nutritionist but my thoughts on it.
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Fivetide
4:14 Tue Jul 14
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I desperately try and eat healthily and get outside for a bit of exercise because it does actually seem to make me feel healthier, happier and sleep better. However I admire Grumptser's honesty about his habits - most people talk a far better health game than they truly play, and it's refreshing to hear the old "I know what I like, and I like what I know" opinion rather than the usual bullshit.
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BRANDED
4:10 Tue Jul 14
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That's not strictly true. Pasta and rice in Italy are quite heavily processed.
Its sugary processed food that can really be problematical particularly with feeble minds and a lack of exercise. You eat pizza, pasta, McDonalds, Muffins, Coke, Lucozade, cake, chocolate and a load of cheap sausages all week and sit around on your arse you deserve to die young.
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eusebiovic
4:06 Tue Jul 14
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BRANDED 3:56 Tue Jul 14
Yes, processed food is THE killer...
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Willtell
4:04 Tue Jul 14
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scott_d 3:09
I meant as opposed to being obese.
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BRANDED
3:56 Tue Jul 14
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ironsofcanada 3:34 Tue Jul 14
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I'm talking nutritionally.
If you eat unprocessed foods you can dish them up any way you want they are still fine for you. The fresher the better.
In the 1960s when I grew up we had meat and two veg type stuff most of the time. It was generally good tasting quality food. We also had bacon and cheddar cheese grilled with toast. Fucking tasty as fuck. We had dripping and fried bread. I was always thin because we had all this food in moderation. We didn't have any sugary drinks and rarely had many sweets and puddings.
Regarding being fat or thin. I think we can all agree there are fat and thin people in all societies. Most Italian women used fat as fuck after they have a family. Most Italian men were thin cos they wanted to fuck younger women. Similar in France. In many cultures being fat was the sign of being well off. Now days its the other way round. Most well off people are slim and the poor are fat fuckers. People will say its the ingredients but that's only true of processed food.
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eusebiovic
3:47 Tue Jul 14
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Due to my parents, I grew up in London eating Portuguese/Spanish food...
However, my mum is a great cook and can do all the British dishes just as well as all the stuff she grew up with.
All food is delicious - when cooked properly
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Grumpster
3:44 Tue Jul 14
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I really enjoyed both the South of France (fuck Paris) and Germany, but christ they were good for weight loss for me as I hated most things French food wise and the German's sausage and odd stuff, such as when I asked for a spaghetti bolognaise and the meet was turkey.
Most players can't be as fussy as me though, as I couldn't care less if I never had to eat again.
The overseas gents probably hate that a lot of our traditional stuff is fried to buggery, which I imagine if you don't grow up with is pretty horrendous.
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ironsofcanada
3:34 Tue Jul 14
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BRANDED 3:26 Tue Jul 14
Are arguing better tasting or better for you?
Because at least partially in everything.
De gustibus non est disputandum
There is a general consensus/prejudice around the world that English food is bad, however. I have fought against this consistently as I know different, especially lately but there are historic reasons, that I have studied as to why people believe this to be true.
That all said a chip is not a boiled potato, the same ingredient but tastes very different and has very different nutrition qualities.
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BRANDED
3:26 Tue Jul 14
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Coffee.
Dont talk shit all your life.
British food tasted shit to Italians and French. I've had French people say Italian food is just shit. Brits hate shit Spanish food.
I like all if them so long as the ingredients are good and they are well cooked.
What's strange is you can have salads, pork, eggs, bread, beef etc in each of those countries and they can all taste great.
I had an Italian freind who was a massive food snob. However, he would have an Enish breakfast every single time.
No one has ever convinced me any national food is better than the next. They are mostly all the same ingredients.
Processed and fast food is another thing but most pasta is processed. Ditto rice.
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scott_d
3:09 Tue Jul 14
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"But being fat doesn't shorten life expectancy that much"
Being fat is not good for you and increases chance of health problems.
That doesn't mean though that people who aren't fat are healthy.
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